Take back propostition & fair play, discussion with opponent

Dear Forum,

I just finished playing this game as black:
de.lichess.org/a2f1yzNDknAw

I was in a good position when on move 14 I slipped on my notepad and gave away my bishop for free. The move was obivously not intended and I asked for a takeback immediately.

1. Takeback proposition sent
2. Takeback proposition declined
3. Galotta: sorry
4. Galotta: i slipped
5. Takeback proposition sent
6. BrianBoru: of cause
7. Galotta: that was not intentional
8. BrianBoru: I got distracted as well in the match before
9. BrianBoru: but I took it like a man
10. Takeback proposition declined
11. Galotta: i was not distracted.
12. Takeback proposition sent
13. Takeback proposition declined

14. BrianBoru: I never ask for take backs
15. Galotta: i slipped on my pad
16. Galotta: ...
17. BrianBoru: : I dont care
18. BrianBoru: continue playing
19. BrianBoru: no excuses

[I was down a Bishop, but continued playing - and won! Yeah!]

20. Galotta: thank you
21. Galotta: F...ull U...nderstanding!
22. Galotta: bye

As for myself, I don't ask or accept takebacks just like that either, but, the move was not intended I accpet the takeback. It happens, but I guess he was still angry I also beat him the game before. So it felt really good beating such an unfair player.

Or at least I think he was unfair - maybe you see it differently. This was 1 hour long match - not blitz and I did not blunder but had problems with my mousepad.

I think the take back discussion has been lead way too many times, still I had the urge to share this experience and ask for your understanding: Just accpet the take back request when it seems legit. Thx!

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man! :)
Everybody decides for themselves is it justified to accept the take back. There is no right or wrong.

I as a rule don't allow takebacks for many reasons. Aside from the most obvious (that a brain slip or a mouse slip?) another issue is that it completely destroys the dynamic in the game and hurts your concentration. It's the same reason I'm perfectly happy to chat after a game but I won't generally respond to even the routine hello, good luck, etc buttons or chat during the game.

If your setup is particularly susceptible to mouse slips, like playing on a pad of sorts, then it would probably be wise to not drag to make moves. You can click on the source square and click on the target square as well which will all but completely eliminate finger failures.

#1, man, you are completely wrong. Your mouse slip is your problem, you have absolutely no right to bother your opponent demanding a takeback. Ok, if he wants to give a takeback, it is his right, and if he does not, there is absolutely nothing wrong with his behavior. And what was unsportive is this: "21. Galotta: F...ull U...nderstanding!" - being your opponent I would report you.

Earlier I had takebacks enabled, and allowed it only if I was 100% certain that it was a slip. (e.g moving the king one square when you obviously intended to castle)

I encountered so many edge cases though, that I just disabled takebacks in the settings. I simply choose not to be disturbed during the game by discussing your miss clicks - it's not my problem.

If I were your opponent in this game, I would likely just disable the chat, and block you after the game was finished - you're clearly not anyone I would like to waste my energy on. It might sound a bit harsh, but this is how I see it :)

It is so much common sense for any chessplayer not to ask for takebacks unless it is a game for training purposes where you are asking for guidance.

I for my part normally give up, as soon as being asked for takebacks as it only shows me that someone still has to do his homework in the basics. That is loosing points ? Yea and who cares abt that on a (baiscally anonymous ) internet site ? Next game, next opponent. There are also quite a few reasonable sports around here :-)

Just my five cents. You do what you want and see how far you get along with it.

Cheers!

It's completely your opponent's prerogative - you can't demand a take-back.

@Galotta

I would ask for the take back. If your opponent wishes to continue with a garbage game, then resign (don't waste your time with this person. Don't waste your time in a garbage game.) Most people play for fun & enjoyment of the game. Some of us here actually want to try to learn & improve.

IF he really needs to win that bad at online internet chess then let him have it; the only way he may be able to win is from mistakes. So at the end of the day it's no big deal. He's not the kind of person you should be playing or associating with anyway.

You should play me. I grant all take backs. Why? Because I love the challenge, win or lose. I want the best possible game I can get. It makes my victories seem a lot better. I learn a lot more from my losses. Who wants to play a low-quality garbage game?

So... this is my own personal philosophy. It's not right. It's not wrong. It's just me. What I get out of this though is a feeling that I am in a better place in the world. Karma. Good vibes. etc. and, i think it makes me a better chess player.

Tip: I had a pretty sketchy remote mouse once.. and this has happened to me a couple of times. So, I turned on "move confirmation" (probably not the best option for blitz games) and it saved me on numerous occasions... even when it wasn't a mouse error it sometimes gave me that 1/2 second amount of time to find a better move or even to avoid a blunder.

Playing on a computer can make you win a blitz if you have 2 seconds left but still can mate with 5-6 pre-moves (impossible on a real board).

It also can make you lose if your mouse slips, just accept it.

I don't like takebacks for many reasons so I simply deactivated it in the options of my account. This way, my opponent is not tempted to ask me for that...

Yeah... the other side of the argument is that perhaps a lot of people enjoy the pressure of making all correct moves.. even if it's a mistake.